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04/27/2022 09:00 AM House FINANCE

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HOUSE BILL NO. 183                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An   Act   renaming   the  Alaska   Criminal   Justice                                                                    
     Commission  the Alaska  Criminal Justice  Data Analysis                                                                    
     Commission; relating  to the  membership of  the Alaska                                                                    
     Criminal Justice Data  Analysis Commission; relating to                                                                    
     the powers  and duties  of the Alaska  Criminal Justice                                                                    
     Data  Analysis  Commission; extending  the  termination                                                                    
     date  of  the  Alaska Criminal  Justice  Data  Analysis                                                                    
     Commission;  relating to  the  duties  of the  Judicial                                                                    
     Council; providing  for an  effective date  by amending                                                                    
     the effective  date of  secs. 41 and  73, ch.  1, 4SSLA                                                                    
     2017; and providing for an  effective date by repealing                                                                    
    the effective date of sec. 74, ch. 1, 4SSLA 2017."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:06:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MATT CLAMAN, SPONSOR, introduced the                                                                             
legislation. He thanked the committee for hearing the bill.                                                                     
He read from prepared remarks.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Good morning members of the  Committee, for the record,                                                                    
     my  name   is  Matt   Claman,  and   I  am   the  State                                                                    
     Representative   for   House   District  21   in   West                                                                    
     Anchorage.  First,  I  would  like  to  thank  you  for                                                                    
     hearing House Bill 183.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     The Alaska  Criminal Justice Commission sunset  on June                                                                    
     30, 2021,  and will  conclude its  affairs by  June 30,                                                                    
     2022.  In accordance  with  the  recommendation of  the                                                                    
     Legislative Auditor, rather  than extend the commission                                                                    
     in  its  current form,  House  Bill  183 maintains  the                                                                    
     commission's  data  collection and  analysis  functions                                                                    
     and reduces its recommendation functions.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     House Bill 183 accomplishes the following:                                                                                 
     First, it establishes the  Alaska Criminal Justice Data                                                                    
     Analysis  Commission in  place of  the Alaska  Criminal                                                                    
     Justice Commission.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Second, it modifies the membership of the commission.                                                                      
     Third, it amends and restates  the powers and duties of                                                                    
     the commission.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     And  finally, it  extends the  termination date  of the                                                                    
     Alaska  Criminal Justice  Data  Analysis Commission  to                                                                    
     June 30, 2029.                                                                                                             
     Data analysis,  research, and reporting on  all aspects                                                                    
     of  Alaska's criminal  justice system  is essential  to                                                                    
     our work  as policymakers. Research and  analysis about                                                                    
     our  criminal  justice  system, including  state  laws,                                                                    
     public safety, rehabilitation,  crime and incarceration                                                                    
     rates, the  needs of  victims, and  the factors  as set                                                                    
     forth in  the Alaska Constitution is  important, and HB
     183 makes sure that they will continue.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     For example,  the Commission recently published  a 2022                                                                    
     report  on  domestic  violence in  Alaska.  The  report                                                                    
     takes  an  in-depth  look   at  the  prevalence,  state                                                                    
     response,  and  best  policy practices  in  the  United                                                                    
     States. No  one should underestimate the  importance of                                                                    
     doing  better in  Alaska when  it  comes to  preventing                                                                    
     domestic violence and supporting victims.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     In  2019,  the  Commission  completed  a  Sex  Offenses                                                                    
     report to  the Alaska  State Legislature  that provides                                                                    
     an overview  on the  data, research, law,  and policies                                                                    
     relating  to   sex  offenses  in  Alaska.   The  report                                                                    
     presented  data on  sex offenses  and  how sex  offense                                                                    
     cases are  processed, explains the sentencing  laws for                                                                    
     sex  offenses, provides  an  overview  of sex  offender                                                                    
     treatment  and reentry,  and  looks  at the  challenges                                                                    
     victims face and the services available to them.                                                                           
     Finally,  back  in  2015,  when  the  commission  first                                                                    
     started meeting, pretrial release  was identified as an                                                                    
     important area of concern.  The Commission directed the                                                                    
     Alaska Judicial  Council to  gather data  about current                                                                    
     bail and  pretrial release practices.  This information                                                                    
     had  never  before  been collected,  and  some  of  the                                                                    
     results   were  surprising.   For  example,   in  2005,                                                                    
     pretrial   inmates   comprised   20  percent   of   the                                                                    
     population  and in  2015,  they  comprised 28  percent.                                                                    
     Alaska's pretrial  population had  grown by  81 percent                                                                    
     from 2005  to 2015, driven primarily  by longer lengths                                                                    
    of stay for both felony and misdemeanor defendants.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The  Commission's experience  over the  past six  years                                                                    
     has   shown  that   effective  criminal   justice  data                                                                    
     collection and  analysis is  valuable and  essential to                                                                    
     the  public, policy  makers,  and practitioners.  Thus,                                                                    
     House  Bill  183  allows   those  data  collection  and                                                                    
     analysis duties  and functions to continue  under a new                                                                    
     successor commission.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:10:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LIZZIE KUBITZ, STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE MATT CLAMAN, reviewed                                                                      
the sectional analysis on the bill (copy on file):                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1 AS 22.20.211.  Staff and support for criminal                                                                    
     justice  commission. Amends  AS 22.20  by adding  a new                                                                    
     section  allowing   the  Alaska  Judicial   Council  to                                                                    
     provide staff and administrative  support to the Alaska                                                                    
     Criminal Justice Data Analysis Commission.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2  AS 22.20.221. Prison  inmate characteristics                                                                    
     information. Amends  AS 22.20  by adding a  new section                                                                    
     relating to  Alaska Judicial  Council's duty  to design                                                                    
     and implement  a project for  the purposes  of studying                                                                    
     risk factors  related to  criminal activity  should the                                                                    
     Alaska  Criminal   Justice  Data   Analysis  Commission                                                                    
     sunset  on June  30, 2029  (see Sec.  18 for  effective                                                                    
     date of  this provision).  The Alaska  Judicial Council                                                                    
     must   prepare  an   annual   report  summarizing   the                                                                    
     information collected.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3 AS 44.19.641.  Creation of commission. Amends                                                                    
     AS 44.19.641 to add "data  analysis" to the name of the                                                                    
     commission.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 4 AS 44.19.642. Membership; staff.                                                                                 
     Amends  AS   44.19.642(a)  to   make  changes   to  the                                                                    
     membership of the commission.                                                                                              
     These changes include:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          ?  Ensure representation  of rural  Alaska on  the                                                                    
          commission;                                                                                                           
          ?  Make  the  Deputy   Attorney  General  for  the                                                                    
          Criminal  Division of  the  Department  of Law  or                                                                    
          their designee  a voting  member (rather  than the                                                                    
          Attorney General);                                                                                                    
          ? Allow  the public defender's designee  to act as                                                                    
          a voting member in place of the public defender;                                                                      
          ? Place  two peace officer representatives  on the                                                                    
          commission   (rather   than  one   municipal   law                                                                    
          enforcement  representative)one    representing  a                                                                    
          rural  community  off  the  road  system  and  one                                                                    
          representing an  urban communityappointed   by the                                                                    
          Alaska Chiefs of Police;                                                                                              
          ? Provide for the  victims' rights advocate on the                                                                    
          commission to  be appointed by the  Alaska Network                                                                    
          on  Domestic  Violence  and Sexual  Assault  after                                                                    
          consultation   with   its   member   and   partner                                                                    
          organizations;                                                                                                        
          ?  Make  the  Commissioner of  the  Department  of                                                                    
          Health and Social Services a voting member; and                                                                       
          ?  Create  a  new   member  seat  for  a  formerly                                                                    
          incarcerated person  who has completed his  or her                                                                    
          sentence.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section  5  AS  44.19.645.  Powers and  duties  of  the                                                                    
     commission. Amends  AS 44.19.645  to remove  the duties                                                                    
     of the former Alaska  Criminal Justice Commission to be                                                                    
     replaced  by  the new  duties  of  the Alaska  Criminal                                                                    
     Justice Data Analysis Commission.                                                                                          
     These new duties include:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          ? Data  analysis, research,  and reporting  on all                                                                    
          aspects  of  Alaska's   criminal  justice  system,                                                                    
          including     state    laws,     public    safety,                                                                    
          rehabilitation,  crime  and  incarceration  rates,                                                                    
          the needs of victims,  and other factors set forth                                                                    
          in the Alaska Constitution;                                                                                           
          ? Receiving  data related to the  criminal justice                                                                    
          system from the  Alaska Department of Corrections,                                                                    
          Department  of Public  Safety, Department  of Law,                                                                    
          and the Alaska Court System;                                                                                          
          ? Identifying  areas for improving  the efficiency                                                                    
          and effectiveness of the criminal justice system;                                                                     
             Recommending expenditures  from the  Recidivism                                                                    
          Reduction Fund;                                                                                                       
          ?  Making  other   recommendations  and  providing                                                                    
          analysis  if  requested  by the  Legislature,  the                                                                    
          Executive, or the Judiciary; and                                                                                      
          ? Issuing an annual report.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Section  6  AS  44.19.645.  Powers and  duties  of  the                                                                    
     commission.  Amends  AS  44.19.645   by  adding  a  new                                                                    
     subsection  (i) relating  to the  commission's duty  to                                                                    
     design  and implement  a project  for  the purposes  of                                                                    
     studying  risk factors  related  to criminal  activity.                                                                    
     This  new  subsection  is  substantially  identical  to                                                                    
     former subsection  (h), which  was repealed on  July 1,                                                                    
     2021,  upon the  sunset of  the former  Alaska Criminal                                                                    
     Justice Commission,  which is currently in  its wind-up                                                                    
     year.   The  Alaska   Judicial  Council   is  currently                                                                    
     performing  these functions  pursuant to  AS 22.20.220,                                                                    
     which  took effect  on July  1, 2021,  pursuant to  HCS                                                                    
     CSSB 54(FIN) am H (2017).                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section 7 AS 44.19.646. Methodology.                                                                                       
     Amends  AS   44.19.646  to  remove  the   duty  of  the                                                                    
     commission to  make recommendations, and adds  the duty                                                                    
     of conducting  research and adopting a  research agenda                                                                    
     and priorities  based on art.  I, secs. 7, 12,  and 24,                                                                    
     Constitution of  the State of  Alaska (which  relate to                                                                    
     due  process, criminal  administration, and  the rights                                                                    
     of  crime  victims),  and   other  issues  of  pressing                                                                    
     concern to the criminal justice system.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section   8    AS   44.19.647.   Annual    report   and                                                                    
     recommendations.                                                                                                           
     Amends   AS  44.19.647(a)   to  remove   the  reporting                                                                    
     responsibilities of the  former Alaska Criminal Justice                                                                    
     Commission  to   be  replaced  by  the   new  reporting                                                                    
     responsibilities  of the  Alaska Criminal  Justice Data                                                                    
     Analysis   Commission.   The   commission's   reporting                                                                    
     responsibilities  are  related  to the  duties  of  the                                                                    
     commission listed in Sec. 5.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section   9    AS   44.19.647.   Annual    report   and                                                                    
     recommendations.                                                                                                           
     Amends   AS  44.19.647(b)   to  remove   the  reporting                                                                    
     responsibilities of the  former Alaska Criminal Justice                                                                    
     Commission  to be  replaced by  the new  duties of  the                                                                    
     Alaska Criminal Justice Data Analysis Commission.                                                                          
     Additionally,  specifies   what  the   commission  must                                                                    
    include in their annual report to the legislature.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section   10   AS    44.19.647.   Annual   report   and                                                                    
     recommendations.  Amends  AS  44.19.647  adding  a  new                                                                    
     subsection  (d)  specifying  that the  commission  must                                                                    
     prepare  an annual  report summarizing  the information                                                                    
     collected in Sec. 6.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 11 AS 44.19.649. Definition.                                                                                       
     Amends  AS  44.19.649  to  update  the  definitions  of                                                                    
     "commission," "recidivism," and "technical violation."                                                                     
     Section  12 AS  44.66.010. Expiration  of state  boards                                                                    
     and commissions. Amends AS  44.66.010(a)(12) to add the                                                                    
     Alaska  Criminal Justice  Data  Analysis Commission  to                                                                    
     the list of boards and commissions set to expire.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 13 AS 47.38.100. Recidivism reduction program.                                                                     
     Amends AS  47.38.100(b) to add  "data analysis"  to the                                                                    
     name of the commission.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 14  Repeals AS 22.20.220, AS  44.19.642(b), and                                                                    
     AS 44.66.010(a)(12).                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 15  Repeals AS 22.20.211, AS  44.19.645(i), and                                                                    
     AS 44.19.647(d) on June 30, 2029.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 16 Uncodified law - applicability                                                                                  
     A person who is a  member of the former Alaska Criminal                                                                    
     Justice  Commission on  the  day  before the  effective                                                                    
     date  of this  Act  continues to  serve  on the  Alaska                                                                    
     Criminal  Justice Data  Analysis  Commission until  the                                                                    
     expiration  of  the  member's  term.  When  making  new                                                                    
     appointments or designations, makes  Sec. 16 of the Act                                                                    
     conditional  on  the  guidelines established  under  AS                                                                    
     44.19.642(a), as  amended by  Sec. 4, which  relates to                                                                    
     membership of the commission.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section 17 Uncodified law - applicability                                                                                  
     Transition  language  regarding   the  Alaska  Judicial                                                                    
     Council's duty  to design and  implement a  project for                                                                    
     the  purposes  of  studying  risk  factors  related  to                                                                    
     criminal activity.                                                                                                         
     Section 18 Effective date                                                                                                  
     Makes sec. 2 effective July 1, 2029.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 19 Effective date                                                                                                  
     Makes all  sections (excluding Sec. 18)  effective July                                                                    
     1, 2022.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kubitz thanked  the committee  for  the opportunity  to                                                                    
present the bill.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:16:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon  asked  if  there would  be  time  for                                                                    
questions on the sectional analysis.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick  replied  that they  could  ask  questions                                                                    
after hearing from the Division of Legislative Audit.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
KRIS  CURTIS,   LEGISLATIVE  AUDITOR,  ALASKA   DIVISION  OF                                                                    
LEGISLATIVE  AUDIT,  referenced  the sunset  review  of  the                                                                    
Office of  the Governor, Alaska Criminal  Justice Commission                                                                    
dated June 12, 2020,  Audit Control Number 01-20124-20 (copy                                                                    
on file) in members' packets. She read from the audit:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The     Alaska      Criminal     Justice     Commission                                                                    
     (commission)  was established in  2014 when Senate Bill                                                                    
     (SB) 64 was signed into law.  SB 64 was the result of a                                                                    
     bipartisan  effort   to  reduce   the  high   costs  of                                                                    
     corrections   and   reduce   prison   populations   and                                                                    
     recidivism   through    evidence-based   reforms.   The                                                                    
     commission  was given  a three-year  term, ending  June                                                                    
     2017.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     State  leaders tasked  the  commission with  developing                                                                    
     evidence-   based  recommendations   aimed  at   safely                                                                    
     controlling  prison and  jail growth  and recalibrating                                                                    
     the  correctional   investment  to  ensure   the  State                                                                    
     achieved  the best  possible  public  safety return  on                                                                    
     State dollars. Additionally, due to                                                                                        
     declining State operating  budgets, legislative leaders                                                                    
     requested  the commission  forward policy  options that                                                                    
     would avert future prison growth  and reduce the prison                                                                    
     population between 15 and 25 percent.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Over a seven-month period,  the commission analyzed the                                                                    
     State's  criminal    justice    system,  including    a                                                                    
     comprehensive  review   of sentencing, corrections, and                                                                    
     community   supervision  data.   Based  on   commission                                                                    
     analysis,  and directive  from legislative  leadership,                                                                    
     the  commission  developed   21  evidence-based  policy                                                                    
     recommendations,  known    as   the    December    2015                                                                    
     Justice    Reinvestment  Report.  The    report    also                                                                    
     included    six    recommendations   for    legislative                                                                    
     consideration.   According    to   the    report,   the                                                                    
     recommendations    protected   public    safety,   held                                                                    
     offenders accountable, and  reduced the State's average                                                                    
     daily   prison  population   by  21   percent,  netting                                                                    
     estimated savings of                                                                                                       
     $424 million over 10 years.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Many  of   the  recommendations  in   the  commission's                                                                    
     December  2015 Justice  Reinvestment Report  became the                                                                    
     basis  for  criminal justice  laws  enacted  in SB  91,                                                                    
     signed  into   law  July  2016.  SB   91  extended  the                                                                    
     commission's  term   until  June   2021,  significantly                                                                    
     expanded  the  commission's  duties, and  directed  the                                                                    
     commission  to oversee  the implementation  of criminal                                                                    
     justice reform and reinvestment.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Many of the reforms contained  in SB 91 were blamed for                                                                    
     an  increase  in  crime.  Within  a  year  of  SB  91's                                                                    
     effective  date, a  separate  bill was  passed to  make                                                                    
     minor adjustments to SB 91  and another bill was passed                                                                    
     five  months later  that substantially  altered SB  91.                                                                    
     The  next  year, a  third  bill  made more  substantive                                                                    
     changes.  In  2019, many  of  SB  91's provisions  were                                                                    
     fully repealed through House Bill (HB) 49.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Curtis moved to the Reports conclusions on page 7 and                                                                       
read:                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Overall,  the audit  concluded the  commission met  its                                                                    
     statutory responsibilities by  analyzing the effects of                                                                    
     sentencing laws  and criminal   justice  practices   on                                                                    
     the    criminal    justice    system  and  recommending                                                                    
     improvements.                                                                                                              
     Additionally,    the    commission  conducted  specific                                                                    
     studies and reported results, as required by law.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The  commission was  effective  as  an advisory  agency                                                                    
     from 2015  through 2017 and its  recommendations served                                                                    
     as the basis for  comprehensive criminal justice reform                                                                    
     passed in  2016 (SB  91). Further,  its recommendations                                                                    
     helped policy  makers amend  SB 91.  However, beginning                                                                    
     in  2018, criminal  justice policy  decisions were  not                                                                    
     rooted   in   commission    recommendations   and   the                                                                    
     commission's effectiveness waned.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     As  of April  2020, the  commission does  not routinely                                                                    
     recommend  improvements; however,  it does  continue to                                                                    
     analyze criminal  justice data and evaluate  the impact                                                                    
     of commission recommendations and  other changes on the                                                                    
     criminal  justice  system.  As  required  by  statutes,                                                                    
     several  agencies submit  data to  the commission.  The                                                                    
     data  is  reviewed   by  commission  staff,  commission                                                                    
     members, and/or other agencies  under an agreement with                                                                    
     the commission.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     In   accordance    with   AS    44.66.010(a)(12),   the                                                                    
     commission    is scheduled  to  terminate  on June  30,                                                                    
     2021. We  do not  recommend extending  the commission's                                                                    
     termination date. Rather than  extend the commission in                                                                    
     its current  form, the need  for and expectations  of a                                                                    
     criminal   justice   advisory  commission   should   be                                                                    
     reevaluated.  Although  we   recommend  sunsetting  the                                                                    
     commission, we  do not  recommend terminating  its data                                                                    
     collection and analysis functions.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Objective evidence  regarding the effectiveness  of the                                                                    
     criminal justice  system and laws governing  the system                                                                    
     are  critical to  future policy  decisions. Legislation                                                                    
     will  be required  to  maintain  the commission's  data                                                                    
     collection  and analysis  functions  if the  commission                                                                    
     sunsets.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Curtis  had  been  impressed  by  the  amount  of  work                                                                    
generated  by the  commission in  the short  period of  time                                                                    
between 2015 and 2017, prior  to the overturning of criminal                                                                    
justice reforms  when it's the effectiveness  began to wane.                                                                    
She  detailed  that  beginning  in  2018,  the  commissions                                                                     
recommendations  were ignored,  and criminal  justice policy                                                                    
decisions  were not  rooted  in commission  recommendations.                                                                    
The commission did not produce  recommendations in 2019. The                                                                    
audit   did  not   recommend   extending  the   commission's                                                                    
effective  date.  Alternatively,  the  audit  did  recommend                                                                    
maintaining its data and analysis functions.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:21:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon  cited  the   sectional  and  asked  a                                                                    
question regarding  Section 4 of  the legislation.  He cited                                                                    
the  following  provision  and   inquired  how  the  sponsor                                                                    
envisioned the process of appointing the member:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Create a new member seat for a formerly incarcerated                                                                       
     person who has completed his or her sentence.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Claman replied that  the appointment would be                                                                    
made collaboratively  by the Deputy Attorney  General of the                                                                    
Criminal Division,  Department of  Law (DOL) and  the Public                                                                    
Defender.  He elaborated  that during  commission discussion                                                                    
and  public comment  on the  audit's recommendations  one of                                                                    
the most frequent remarks had been  that there was no one on                                                                    
the  commission  with  learned  experience.  The  commission                                                                    
believed  including  a   formerly  incarcerated  person  was                                                                    
important. He detailed that the  deputy attorney general and                                                                    
public  defender would  identify a  person who  had finished                                                                    
their  sentence,   parole,  and  probation  and   the  chief                                                                    
prosecutor and  chief defense attorney  needed to  agree the                                                                    
person was appropriate for a seat on the commission.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon asked  for verification  the selection                                                                    
would not go through an  approval process by the legislature                                                                    
or  governor. He  asked if  the individual  would be  a full                                                                    
voting     member.     Representative    Claman     answered                                                                    
affirmatively.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:24:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
In  response  to  a comment  made  by  Representative  Wool,                                                                    
Representative Claman replied that  the proposed statute did                                                                    
not  distinguish  between  whether the  person  committed  a                                                                    
felony or misdemeanor.  He deemed that someone  who served a                                                                    
shorter sentence  for a period  of five years or  less would                                                                    
likely  be chosen.  Representative Wool  asked if  there had                                                                    
been any  discussion about  including a  family member  of a                                                                    
person currently in the criminal  justice system to serve on                                                                    
the  commission. Representative  Claman  answered there  had                                                                    
been  numerous people  interested in  having a  seat on  the                                                                    
commission.  In  the  interest  of  keeping  its  membership                                                                    
manageable and  based on public testimony  it was determined                                                                    
that  the best  option was  a person  who had  been formerly                                                                    
incarcerated was more illuminating than a family member.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wool  mentioned  the  provisions  in  SB  91                                                                    
[Omnibus Crim  Law & Procedure; Corrections,  CHAPTER 36 SLA                                                                    
16,  07/11/2016]  being  repealed through  other  bills.  He                                                                    
noted  a  lot of political  motivation  for the  repeals. He                                                                    
referenced  Ms. Curtis's  statement that  the audit  decided                                                                    
not to include recommendations as  part of its functions. He                                                                    
asked for detail.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:26:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Curtis  replied   that  the   comment   was  made   by                                                                    
Representative  Claman.   She  elucidated  that   the  audit                                                                    
concluded that the  need for and expectations  of a criminal                                                                    
justice  advisory  commission  should  be  reevaluated.  She                                                                    
reminded the  committee that when  the audit took  place the                                                                    
commission had not been utilized  in an advisory capacity as                                                                    
it had been  in past years. The audit  concluded that rather                                                                    
than  extend   the  commission  in  its   current  form,  it                                                                    
recommended  policy  makers  reevaluate  the  commission  to                                                                    
determine whether  there was a  different need since  the SB
91  repeal. She  summarized  that in  the  current form  she                                                                    
could not  recommend extending the commission.  However, the                                                                    
auditors determined  that its  data collection  and analysis                                                                    
was beneficial.  She needed guidance  from policy  makers to                                                                    
determine  what  the future  of  the  commission should  be.                                                                    
Representative  Wool surmised  that  because the  commission                                                                    
stopped   doing  recommendations   the   audit  decided   to                                                                    
recommend  against   continuing  the  commission   with  its                                                                    
current sets of functions.  Ms. Curtis clarified that policy                                                                    
decisions   were  made   that   were  not   rooted  in   the                                                                    
commissions   recommendations. She  determined that  at that                                                                    
point it  was appropriate  for the  policy makers  to decide                                                                    
the  role or  life  of the  commission. Representative  Wool                                                                    
mentioned  that the  state had  faced a  situation where  it                                                                    
would have to reopen prisons  or build more, and he believed                                                                    
that currently the  state was back in the  same position. He                                                                    
wondered whether in the commissions  proposed role, would it                                                                    
merely provide analysis and leave  it up to policy makers to                                                                    
interpret the  analysis and devise  a solution.  He restated                                                                    
that criminal  justice was very politicized  and he wondered                                                                    
if  Ms.  Curtis  or  the  sponsor  saw  political  decisions                                                                    
driving policy in the future.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:30:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Curtis would not weigh in  on what should be done in the                                                                    
future. She could only speak to  what had taken place in the                                                                    
past.  She regarded  the  need to  continue  to analyze  and                                                                    
provide  good input  to policy  makers due  to the  numerous                                                                    
criminal justice issues facing the  state in the future. She                                                                    
emphasized the need for  good  objective data  and  experts                                                                     
to evaluate  the data and  provide the  information. Whether                                                                    
the  legislature  wanted   a  recommendation  function,  she                                                                    
believed it would be reasonable  and was the reason advisory                                                                    
commissions  were created.  She offered  that policy  makers                                                                    
could certainly  decide to extend the  current commission by                                                                    
proposing  legislation to  maintain  its current  functions.                                                                    
She  maintained that  commenting on  the details  of how  or                                                                    
weather  the  commission  should   exist  would  impair  her                                                                    
independence as an auditor.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Claman interjected  that the  recommendation                                                                    
from the  audit had  been clear that  the data  and analysis                                                                    
function  should continue  because  it provided  a level  of                                                                    
analysis  that  would  take   an  independent  contractor  a                                                                    
 couple of years   to provide. He emphasized  that the audit                                                                    
was    very   specific    regarding   not   continuing   the                                                                    
recommendation   function.  He   reported   that  the   only                                                                    
provision in HB 183  that proposed a recommendation function                                                                    
to continue  was how to  expend funding from  the Recidivism                                                                    
Reduction Fund from marijuana  tax proceeds. The legislature                                                                    
would  need to  request  a recommendation  about a  specific                                                                    
topic,   otherwise,   the   commission   completely   lacked                                                                    
authority  to issue  recommendations. He  remarked that  the                                                                    
only difference  in the commission would  be useful research                                                                    
to  help   policy  makers  make   wise  decisions   but  not                                                                    
recommendations.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:33:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wool calculated  that the commissions stopped                                                                    
making   recommendations  for   political  reasons   due  to                                                                    
controversy  over SB  91. He  mentioned that  bills creating                                                                    
task  forces and  working groups  that made  recommendations                                                                    
were common. The legislature could  ignore them. He believed                                                                    
that it  seemed strange to take  the recommendation function                                                                    
away. He stated that the  legislature did not have to follow                                                                    
the  recommendations  and  thought  the  recommendation  was                                                                    
unusual. Ms.  Curtis responded that the  difference was task                                                                    
forces  were  temporary.  She  recalled  that  the  original                                                                    
commission was  set up in 2014,  with a three year  term and                                                                    
SB 91 extended  it until 2021 and expanded  its functions to                                                                    
oversee criminal  justice reform and investment.  She judged                                                                    
that  since  the  repeal  of  SB  91,  the  vision  for  the                                                                    
commission  needed  to  be   reconsidered.  She  stated  the                                                                    
audits'  role  was to  determine  whether  a commission  was                                                                    
serving the public's  interest and was there a  need for its                                                                    
continued existence.  She did not  see a continued  need for                                                                    
the commission  in its  current form.  She pointed  out that                                                                    
the  current   composition  of   the  board   included  many                                                                    
positions  from  the  administration and  could  politically                                                                    
impact its effectiveness. She  believed that the legislature                                                                    
should take a pause and reevaluate.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:35:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Claman discussed the  years after the passage                                                                    
of SB 91 when many changes  were made and much of the reform                                                                    
was rolled back.  He asserted that the  commission made many                                                                    
recommendations, and  the reality  was that  the legislature                                                                    
had shown it  was not interested in  its recommendations but                                                                    
was attentive to the analysis.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  referenced   a  letter  from  the                                                                    
[governor's] former  Chief of  Staff, Ben  Stevens [included                                                                    
in the  audit on page  41] stating  that nearly half  of the                                                                    
commissions  recommendations had  been repealed. He wondered                                                                    
what  had  been  repealed.  He  interpreted  the  letter  as                                                                    
suggesting  that there  were still  many recommendations  in                                                                    
law.  Representative  Claman  confirmed  that  many  of  the                                                                    
recommendations  were  still  in  law.  He  exemplified  the                                                                    
increase to the minimum sentence for first degree murder.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Curtis  referenced Appendix  C in  the audit  [page 31].                                                                    
She  pointed  out that  the  appendix  included all  to  the                                                                    
recommendations the  commission had made from  2015 to 2020.                                                                    
She emphasized  that it  was an  incredible amount  of work.                                                                    
The  chart   included  whether  action  was   taken  on  the                                                                    
recommendation and if it was amended or repealed.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson drew  attention to  Section 11  of                                                                    
the bill that  created substantive law in  defining the term                                                                    
"technical  violation."  He  indicated  that  the  term  was                                                                    
unfamiliar to statute until the  implementation of SB 91. He                                                                    
noted that  under the bill it  only applied to Title  44. He                                                                    
asked whether a competing definition  existed in Title 11 or                                                                    
12.                                                                                                                             
Representative   Claman  responded   in  the   negative.  He                                                                    
elaborated that the reason for  the definitions of technical                                                                    
violation  and  recidivism   in Section  11 was  directed to                                                                    
the  research  and  analysis function  and  provided  for  a                                                                    
consistent  definition  to  be   applied  to  the  data  and                                                                    
analysis.   Representative   Josephson   wondered   if   the                                                                    
definition of technical violation would be argued in court.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:40:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Claman  replied  that  he  never  wanted  to                                                                    
predict what someone  may argue in court.  He furthered that                                                                    
some   analysis  regarding   technical  versus   substantive                                                                    
violations  had  taken  place.  There  was  an  interest  in                                                                    
ensuring  there   was  a   solid  definition   of  technical                                                                    
violation  included   for  the  purposes  of   research  and                                                                    
analysis.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz stated  his  understanding  that the  bill                                                                    
would largely cease the  recommendation function. He pointed                                                                    
to Section 5 of the Sectional Analysis and read:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Identifying areas for improving the efficiency and                                                                         
     effectiveness of the criminal justice system                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
He  inquired  how  that   was  accomplished  without  making                                                                    
recommendations. He asked  whether identifying was different                                                                    
than recommending.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Claman   replied  in  the   affirmative.  He                                                                    
exemplified his  opening remarks  that stated  currently the                                                                    
pretrial  population had  increased  from 20  percent to  28                                                                    
percent over  a 10-year period. He  understood that actually                                                                    
50  percent  of  the  prison  population  was  pretrial.  He                                                                    
deduced that  without a  recommendation policy  makers could                                                                    
examine ways  to reduce the  pretrial population.  He argued                                                                    
that it  was totally up  to the  legislature if it  acted on                                                                    
the information.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:43:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz  appreciated the  answer but did  not quite                                                                    
understand how  it would work.  He believed  the legislature                                                                    
needed to  continue to receive recommendations  and input on                                                                    
ways  to improve  the efficiency  and  effectiveness of  the                                                                    
criminal justice  system. He wondered  how to do  so without                                                                    
receiving  recommendations to  make  change.  He noted  that                                                                    
just because  the legislature did not  adopt recommendations                                                                    
received in the past, did  not mean the recommendations were                                                                    
not sound  and that the  function was unnecessary,  and they                                                                    
should not  continue to hear  from bodies offering  data and                                                                    
objective information. Representative  Claman responded that                                                                    
in  many  ways he  agreed  with  what Vice-Chair  Ortiz  had                                                                    
stated.  He relayed  that  as an  ex-officio  member of  the                                                                    
commission he observed that in  recent years the legislature                                                                    
had not been  interested in the recommendations.  He did not                                                                    
want to  sugar  coat  the issue. He  referenced the pretrial                                                                    
data    and   maintained    that   the    commission   would                                                                    
enthusiastically  make recommendations  if requested  by the                                                                    
legislature if  the bill was  adopted. He believed  the bill                                                                    
recognized    that   the    legislature   largely    ignored                                                                    
recommendations.   He  thought   the   perspective  of   the                                                                    
legislature was   do not come  telling us what to  do unless                                                                    
we  ask.  He  stated that  the purpose  of the  bill was  to                                                                    
allow the  commission to maintain the  research and analysis                                                                    
function  and provide  it when  requested. He  noted that  a                                                                    
commission member  requested some  research and  analysis on                                                                    
HB  5 [Sexual  Assault;  Def. of  "Consent"] and  ultimately                                                                    
provided data  and analysis on  the impacts of the  bill but                                                                    
did not  offer recommendations.  He surmised  that it  was a                                                                    
perfect  example of  the proposed  role  of the  commission;                                                                    
providing  data   to  enable   policy  makers  to   be  more                                                                    
responsive.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:46:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Johnson  thought  most of  her  constituents                                                                    
would  be   happy  to  see   the  Alaska   Criminal  Justice                                                                    
Commission  sunset.  She  spoke  about the  proposal  to  do                                                                    
something different.  She cited  the University  of Alaskas                                                                     
Justice Center and read its mission statement:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     The  UAA  Justice  Center, established  by  the  Alaska                                                                    
     Legislature  in   1975,  has   a  mandate   to  provide                                                                    
     statewide  justice-related   education,  research,  and                                                                    
     service.  The Justice  Center  is an  interdisciplinary                                                                    
     unit  that  provides   undergraduate  and  professional                                                                    
     education;  conducts research  in the  areas of  crime,                                                                    
     law, and  justice; and provides services  to government                                                                    
     units,  justice agencies,  and community  organizations                                                                    
     throughout urban  and rural Alaska  to promote  a safe,                                                                    
     healthy, and just society.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Josephson   believed    that   it   sounded                                                                    
duplicative to  the proposal in  the legislation.  She cited                                                                    
the  fiscal note  of $155,000.  She asked  if it  would make                                                                    
sense  to  support  the  justice   center  by  providing  an                                                                    
additional grant  to the organization  and transfer  some of                                                                    
the data and analysis function to the center.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Claman replied that  the University of Alaska                                                                    
Anchorage (UAA)  Justice Center and  the UAA  Alaska Justice                                                                    
Information Center  had expertise  in certain ways  that was                                                                    
complimentary to  that of the Alaska  Judicial Council (AJC)                                                                    
but  there  were  many  areas   that  did  not  overlap.  He                                                                    
discovered  that much  of  the full  range  of research  and                                                                    
analysis done by  the commission could not  be undertaken by                                                                    
the  center.  He  deferred to  the  commission  for  further                                                                    
explanation. He  furthered that the commission  was designed                                                                    
to focus  on the current  issues and more areas  of interest                                                                    
than the justice center. The  university was a vital part of                                                                    
the process put focused on  specific grant research that was                                                                    
often   unrelated   to   the  areas   the   commission   was                                                                    
researching.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:50:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Johnson   referenced  the  mission   of  the                                                                    
justice center. She  maintained that it sounded  like it had                                                                    
a connection to communities.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Carpenter summarized  that the  commission's                                                                    
recommendations had not been used  which had resulted in the                                                                    
commission ceasing  to provide recommendations. He  asked if                                                                    
it was due to a lack  of awareness on the legislature's part                                                                    
or  of  disinterest.  He  relayed  that  his  focus  was  on                                                                    
domestic  violence and  sexual assault.  He understood  that                                                                    
there had  not been a  criminal justice reform  effort since                                                                    
2017 and subsequently, he would  not have thought to ask for                                                                    
the  information.  He pondered  whether  it  was a  lack  of                                                                    
trust. He asked why the  policy decisions of the legislature                                                                    
were  not rooted  in  the  commissions  recommendations.  He                                                                    
wondered  whether  the issues  lied  in  the composition  of                                                                    
board, its members, structure, mission, or requirements.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:52:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Claman relayed  that  he had  served in  the                                                                    
legislature  for eight  years. He  reported that  during the                                                                    
first several  years of his  term when engaging  in criminal                                                                    
justice  reform   discussions,  the  commission   chair  was                                                                    
constantly  testifying  before  the legislature.  He  voiced                                                                    
that  its   recommendations  were   a  vital  part   of  the                                                                    
legislature's  decision regarding  criminal justice  reform.                                                                    
Conversely, when many provision of  SB 91 were repealed, the                                                                    
legislature  had  been  independent in  its  decisions.  The                                                                    
legislature had  not consulted the with  commission and they                                                                    
were not  present during deliberations. He  ascertained that                                                                    
the  legislature  wanted  to  make  its  own  decisions.  He                                                                    
mentioned the areas of sexual  assault and domestic violence                                                                    
and the  commissions  report  in 2019  had been  received by                                                                    
the  legislature, but  he was  not certain  many legislators                                                                    
had  much  interest in  it.  He  added that  the  commission                                                                    
issued a  recent domestic violence report  with a tremendous                                                                    
amount  of  information  on  the   topic,  but  it  had  not                                                                    
interested many legislators. He was  uncertain as to why. He                                                                    
remarked that he  had consulted both reports  in relation to                                                                    
HB 5.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:55:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Carpenter  thought  many  of  his  questions                                                                    
should  be in  a conversation  offline. He  asked where  the                                                                    
recommendations  proposed   in  the  bill  had   come  from.                                                                    
Representative  Claman  responded  that when  the  auditor's                                                                    
report was issued  and the finding that  the commission made                                                                    
no  further  recommendations  he  served  as  chair  of  the                                                                    
commission. However,  they wanted  to make  a recommendation                                                                    
regarding  its data  and  analysis  function. He  delineated                                                                    
that  the commission  held a  number of  meetings and  heard                                                                    
from stakeholders and  the public and had  received a number                                                                    
of  recommendations. He  shared  some  examples. He  relayed                                                                    
that  the  attorney  general's   office  wanted  the  deputy                                                                    
attorney  general   from  the   Criminal  Division   on  the                                                                    
commission,  not the  attorney general  because most  of the                                                                    
questions were  from the criminal  division. There  had been                                                                    
significant talk  about a law  enforcement presence  and how                                                                    
to  come  up with  a  rural  and  urban presence  but  offer                                                                    
flexibility that was not overly  prescriptive. He noted that                                                                    
another  recommendation  desired   the  commission  be  less                                                                    
subject  to    politicization  by  the   executive  branch.                                                                     
Therefore,  the law  enforcement seat  was appointed  by the                                                                    
Association of  Police Chiefs  and not  by the  governor. He                                                                    
reported that the victim presence  was chosen by the Council                                                                    
on  Domestic   Violence  and   Sexual  Assault   (CDVSA)  in                                                                    
consultation with  all its members.  He summarized  that the                                                                    
membership  of  the  commission  would  not  be  subject  to                                                                    
executive appointment  but represented a  community presence                                                                    
and  much  stakeholder  interest.  Representative  Carpenter                                                                    
asked if  the bill was  comprised of recommendations  by the                                                                    
commission.   Representative   Claman    answered   in   the                                                                    
affirmative and  added that  the only  exception was  he had                                                                    
added  the  member  with lived  experience  since  no  other                                                                    
member had recommended it.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HB  183  was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick reviewed  the schedule  for the  afternoon                                                                    
meeting.